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【歴史修正】専門家会議・釜萢「4日間様子をみてくれ という意味で言ったわけではない」

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1: 的井 圭一 ★ 2020/04/24(金) 05:09:27.98 ID:bg53Pca29 BE:511393199-PLT(15100)
 日本経済新聞:どうもありがとうございます。すいません、もう1点お伺いさせてください。相談、受診の目安の新しいご提案ということでいただいていると思うんですけれども、すいません、今までもかなり重い症状の方は、すぐにという書き方ではなかったんですが、4日というものを書かずに、ご相談くださいという書き方だったと思うんですけども、今までのバージョンとの違いというのは、より高齢者の方たちに向けて強く発信するといいますか、前回、2月のバージョンと比べた違いをもう少し詳しくご解説いただけると幸いです。

釜萢:釜萢です。2月のときに目安が出まして、受診の目安に対しては特にいつもと体調が違うということに対して4日間経過を見てくださいというようなメッセージというふうに取られたんですが、それはそうではなくて、体調が少し悪いからといってすぐ皆さん医療機関を受診されるわけではないので、少しいつもと違うという症状が続いた場合には、もう少なくとも4日も続くというのであれば、普段はあまり受診をされなくても今回に関しては、ぜひ相談をしていただきたい、まず電話で相談をして、そしてその相談の結果、受診が必要になれば医療機関を受診していただきたいという、そういうことでありました。

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24: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:16:50.48 ID:iD/0nL/m0
>>1
つーかね
厚労省も専門家会議も皆さん誤解されにくい文章を書くの苦手すぎ

381: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:53:24.48 ID:uf9nuWvl0
>>24
法律もそうだけどどうとでもとれるようにわざと書いて解釈次第でいくらでも拡大(あるいは縮小)できるように書いてる

そうしないと弁護士等の法律の専門職が成り立たなくなる(要するに利権)
のと、都合が悪くなった時に法律を変えるのではなく都合のいいように解釈するため

誤解を生まないように努力なんかしてない
むしろミスリードを誘発させて「そう解釈したあなたの自己責任ですよ」という逃げ道を残すという姑息な手段をとってる

620: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 06:09:57.40 ID:UCg4M7Vw0
>>24

いやいや

ハナから責任逃れの文章しかつくらないよアイツアラは

行き詰ったら、隠蔽かシュレッターw

750: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 06:18:51.53 ID:liDj85nQ0
>>24
これ言っちゃったら官僚答弁風言葉のオンパレードで対策されないか?

79: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:25:44.84 ID:0vardeCC0
>>1
逃げた-!

119: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:31:21.89 ID:x8gifcF80
>>1
2月半ばからコロナ受診のめやすはこれ
4日ルールって言ってる奴はちゃんと見てないんだろう
no title

148: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:33:49.35 ID:kllj3IP40
>>119
それって帰国者と接触者の専門窓口じゃないのか?
またデマ飛ばして逃亡か?

392: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:54:10.72 ID:/1XcfueG0
>>119
専門家の会とやら
こんなの作って今まで放置しといてそれはないだろ
no title

no title

175: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:36:33.37 ID:tE6vjUZR0
>>1
4日ルールの次は、37.5℃のエビデンスを説明してもらおうか?ん?w

236: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:41:46.39 ID:IIOyC8lR0
>>175
万人が36度5分が平熱なわけじゃないのにな

815: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 06:24:09.58 ID:m6HEsZr10
>>1
散々テレビで4日は自宅待機しろって
言ってただろ
なんで嘘つくの?

51: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:21:58.30 ID:Jcpa+e790
>釜萢:釜萢です。2月のときに目安が出まして、受診の目安に対しては特にいつもと体調が違うということに対して
>>4日間経過を見てくださいというようなメッセージというふうに取られたんですが、それはそうではなくて、
>体調が少し悪いからといってすぐ皆さん医療機関を受診されるわけではないので、少しいつもと違うという症状が続いた場合には、
>もう少なくとも4日も続くというのであれば、普段はあまり受診をされなくても今回に関しては、ぜひ相談をしていただきたい、
>まず電話で相談をして、そしてその相談の結果、受診が必要になれば医療機関を受診していただきたいという、そういうことでありました。

これ誰が訳してくれ。4日続くってことは4日は我慢しろってふつうはとらないか?

87: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:26:45.99 ID:ih/kxX5W0
>>51
かなり小泉構文だよこれ

13: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:14:39.68 ID:8hMQAnB70
誰も責任を取らない内閣さすがだな

212: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:39:36.23 ID:g6KtZGNd0
>>13
中国様にはお優しいこと

14: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:14:51.97 ID:b++XZYpG0
見苦しい

15: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:14:56.44 ID:9uVQHxzp0
でいつになったら2万人検査するんだ

16: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:15:06.04 ID:EJ+EV2v50
だれも責任は取らない。言い逃れに終始

18: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:15:15.64 ID:S2zB0G5G0
もしそれが本当なら間違った報道を何故訂正しなかった?

32: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:18:17.64 ID:xgoJOpTw0
>>18
報道ではない。

このコメントを元に厚労省は相談マニュアルを作り、
発熱が4日(高齢者や持病のある人は2日)持続した後ではないと、検査もしないし、病院には行くなと言ったのだ。
そのマニュアル通りに各地の保健所も動き、

結果として、自宅での死亡者が相当数発生した。

22: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:15:40.87 ID:3OBoSW520
そのような意味で申し上げたわけではない

23: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:16:37.93 ID:b++XZYpG0
この間、何度もメディアの取材に応じてきたんだろうにな

36: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:19:14.11 ID:3KuLyOd00
内閣倒れるかもしれんな

50: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:21:43.82 ID:xgoJOpTw0
>>36
かもではなく、倒れることが現実と周りが信じているから逃げ出している。

今までなら、厚労省に喧嘩うるんですか?と言われたところだが、安部が倒れるなら、それを言うであろう不倫審議官なんて、持ち上げるだけ損という考えになる。

776: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 06:20:27.54 ID:qglwSWpm0
>>36
悪役政党がサポートしてくれるので安泰かな?

44: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:20:47.82 ID:yOJWuYif0
軽症者を全て入院させていたら病院がいくつあっても足りないもんな。
今のよあな体制が整わないうちではこの4日間措置は仕方がなかったと思う。
後出しじゃんけんなら何とでも批判できる。

46: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:20:49.99 ID:liVw7MW70
ことば遊び

49: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:21:25.23 ID:2PEtCcUy0
デマばかり垂れ流してる専門家はクビしろよ

55: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:22:28.91 ID:Kh8Oe/IE0
こんな有事になんで一致団結して立ち向かえないの?

77: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:25:37.05 ID:OIHKG+T10
>>55
有事にこそ責任を取らされないように先手先手で逃げる必要があるんだよ

56: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:22:44.96 ID:Jcpa+e790
医療崩壊を恐れて患者の命や健康をないがしろにする政府や医者ども。悲しい国だね

61: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:23:09.72 ID:ih/kxX5W0
少し難しい言葉で小泉構文してるだけやないかww

62: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:23:22.97 ID:qTlFO4Vx0
あれだけ公然と4日ルールが報道・周知されてた中で
何一つ訂正しなかったなら逆になにしてたのと言いたいよ

65: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:23:58.98 ID:kGK7vWeN0
4日も続くなら怪しい言ったら、責任逃れしたい役人や保健所が「専門家が4日って言ったからそれまでは無理」と言い訳に使い出したんだろ。
無責任な日本人の性質から生まれた悲劇だなww

97: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:28:19.05 ID:4jC402nm0
保健所は4日ルールを口実に検査を断りまくってるのだが?

4日ルールが間違いだというならさっさと訂正しろよ

171: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:36:21.21 ID:K3DGUWKn0
>>97
それな

144: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:33:37.11 ID:iD/0nL/m0
コミュ障だらけのコロナ対策www

145: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:33:38.60 ID:5l2+VlkA0
誰も責任取りたくない国だからリーダーも生まれない

153: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:34:25.42 ID:2NoJ01rS0
しかも電話すると医者じゃない人間が判断すんだろ?
馬鹿にしすぎ

159: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/04/24(金) 05:35:07.93 ID:ctld/bZ90
言った言わないが始まったか
日本もう駄目かもね

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